Boeing 737 Max8 Aircraft Crashes and Investigations [Part 9] 2

[dik]

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Looks like Boeing is still having fun...

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58483150

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/faa-to-take-regulatory-action-over-5g-interference/

And here is as good as any. I suspect the max and NG will have the same rad alt as the classics.

So will have issues

 

[dik]

Thanks...

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

 

[RedSnake]

I did notice when I went through a bunch of airplane accidents reports that at least the Swedish Accident Investigation Board was present if only as observers on all accidents on Swedish air crafts and companies and all foreign aircraft and companies if there was Swedish passengers onboard regardless of where the accident took place.
I guess that at least one reason is that they want to be sure to give the families a closure that they can trust as far as it goes.

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[FacEngrPE]

Lack of training seems to be more likely than lack of authority. This statement in the brief is telling

FAA accepted insufficient root causes in part because FAA inspectors were not adequately trained on root cause analysis.

It would not be too surprising if American also has training issues in root cause analysis. It's not easy.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Same this side of the pond.

I think we have a three tier system were we do it it internally and then farm it out for checking and then it goes to the local caa then that gets audited by EASA.

I really don't know much about it.

The SMS is a beast of a system.

 

[JohnRBaker]

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[jhardy1]

Netflix has a new movie-length documentary on the 737 Max8 crashes: "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing"

https://www.netflix.com/au/title/81272421?s=a&trkid=13747225&t=cp&vlang=en&clip=81571080

Fascinating viewing!

http://julianh72.blogspot.com

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

The FAA directors resignation is in. Think he has two months hand over period.

Must admit he had the max and the 5g to deal with.

 

[1503-44]

You'd think that whould have expidited his resignation.
In any case, way overdue.


A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Why he didn't seem to be doing that bad a job.

Or maybe to good a job making Boeing do things properly is the issue.

Pretty much all of their products have major issues at the moment. And as the FAA has lost mutual certification nothing will improve Boeing's problems which are a big picture management issue.

 

[1503-44]

Surely not worth the headaches all that would entail.

A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

I wouldn't do it that's for sure.

Suspect there is also a political element.

Especially the 5g stuff the FAA are in dead man's corner what ever they do. And the FCC seem to have more clout than the faa

 

[1503-44]

USA. There's always. That said, PP, the moderate right Partido Popular here had a total meltdown yesterday with full scale internal war resulting from Madrid regional president's brother alleged receipt of up to 300K € "commission" for arranging mask purchase contracts. We are used to PP problem with corruption. Every 2 yrs they have a corruption related meltdown of one kind or another. If not them, then it's the royal family. Worse than the Sauds. Neither can manage to keep their hands out of the cookie jar. PP was Franco's old party. They learned well from him, but today you have to be secret about it. They haven't learned that part of it ...yet. Dumb as goats.

It's surprising that any part of the US gov can function after the last few years, if any part is I mean. The DOI had the highest corruption level in US history. Even the IRS investigating division was gutted and can't get refunded still. Nobody's minding the shop ... at any checkout counter. The only solution is buy more guns. 5G is hardly on the radar.

A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

I suspect he can see the writing on the wall with the 5g stuff and a smoking hole in the ground in the not so distant future.

Was impossible to prevent them rolling it out round airports or making them have special cells like the French do.

But then when a plane full of high cost American passport holders spear in and billions of lawsuits start flying around he will be deemed personally responsible for not preventing it.

 

[1503-44]

Flush the evidence. File the delay lawsuits. Plead the "5Gth".

A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

He more than likely has morals and doesn't want to have to live with it.

He is a pilot not a politician. He is using his escape route.

I suspect the 1 in 1000000 chance of a fatality is way out the window as per normal acceptable risk.

And when you have 929 million flights per year peak in 2019 it's really not worth any salary. Linked to the fact he probably knows way way to much about the bulk of the hardware than he knew before the max.

 

[1503-44]

Oh. So if he's a pilot, he's like all of the fabled 3 monkeys rolled into one, blind, deaf and dumb. No chance to survive. He's "ejecting".

A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Pretty much, I would call it more well formed risk 3rd sense, knows way to much about the implications of what is being forced through by people who will never be accountable.

So eject eject

 

[1503-44]

Been there, done that. The oil pipeline across the Anatolian fault in Turkey will not survive the big one. Just a matter of time. I could not force them do it properly, so I didn't want any further involvement. I dont know if they fixed it in the end, or not. It wasn't looking hopeful. Fortunately the seismic activity has decreased since then.

A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Err isn't that a bad sign when it goes quiet short term its building up energy in the fault and then suddenly it will let rip?