Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 13 44

[SFCharlie]

A continuation of our discussion of this failure. Best to read the other threads first to avoid rehashing things already discussed.
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 02
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 03
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 04
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 05
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 06
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 07
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 08
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 09
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 10
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 11
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 12


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[spsalso]

To the south we have the valley, engineers with more taste than the City (not saying much), and to the north we have wine country. (where we're all stoned...)

And to the west, there's the Pacific Ocean, which does what an ocean's gotta do, day in and day out.

And to the east, there's the catchily named East Bay--just a wee bit less pretentious than The City. And more Mediterranean.


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[MaudSTL]

perplexed by the description of "a whirling drilling sound"...oy >.<

I’ve been thinking about that too. It would be nice to know whose words those were…they may have been the reporter’s description, as they aren’t quoted. I believe it’s a mistake to take that description literally or assume it is accurate.

My theory is that it may be a way the reporter describes how Shamoka Furman described the pancaking of the building to the police. Go to 4:45 in this bodycam video, when Shamoka says, “All I heard is <trill.>”

 

[Optical98]

MaudSTL

You're right. I had forgotten that...the sound she made when describing it during the body-cam vids.
I had the wrong "drilling" sound in my head.

 

[dik]

From what I've encountered there are a lot of other state that beat them to it... Florida, Texas and Georgia for a start...

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

 

[sgw1009]

The Miami Herald has published a long piece called...

In this well-done article, as well as their earlier well-done expose of floor-by-floor victims, the Miami Herald attributed Gassie Stratton as having lived in Apartment 410. Note that an earlier posting from many threads ago had shown her living in Apartment 412, which is apparently in error. This is realy much of a mute point at this point in time, but in case there was other information noted in the database or elsewhere based on this information, just pointing out that it is incorrect. (Obviously in the early stages, much of the available information was preliminary and sometimes incorrect, so no blame to the original poster.)

 

[Reverse_Bias]

There was a photo posted in thread 2 of the area under the lobby. It definitely would have caused some shaking. I imagine this would have made a or tearing, grinding or skidding sound. Maybe 'whirling' is a translation issue or some pipes breaking. In her past statement she said it was a 'metallic boom.'

 

[MaudSTL]

…in case there was other information noted in the database or elsewhere…

Since it was originally published on July 27, 2021, Cassie Stratton has been shown in the CTS Collapse Witness Statement Timeline as being in 410.

>>>>Edit: addition

Maybe 'whirling' is a translation issue or some pipes breaking. In her past statement she said it was a 'metallic boom.'

We don’t know who used the terms “whirring” and “like a drill” in that story. The options are the reporter, Shamoka Furman, or Sarah Nir. My theory is that it’s the reporter, because she doesn’t actually use quotation marks or attribution.

 

[Reverse_Bias]

The latest Building Integrity video gives a good history of the CTS project, the people involved and possible corruption.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk2hmytlDg8

 

[Nukeman948]

So is it a "sharp whirring sound like a drill" or "a whirling drilling sound". Notice the spelling in each "quote". Are we reading too much into this unverifiable "evidence"?

How one person describes a sound is not the same as how another person interprets the same sound.
Perhaps "sharp" refers to the condition of the drill bit, as a sharp drill bit makes a different sound from a dull drill bit. A large drill press sounds different from a Milwaukee hole hog, or a cheap Craftsman 3/8 drill"
The description may have been of a twist drill bit, forstner bit, spade bit, auger bit or even a hole saw. Each one will make a slightly different sound as well.
Perhaps it describes the sound that comes from drilling different materials, as cast iron sounds different from drilling steel or bronze or most woods. Coolant or are we going in dry?

Some people say a tornado sounds like a train. Does a tornado sound like a freight train, circus train or a bullet train? Steam engine, electric trolley or diesel? Are there crossing bells? Steam whistle or diesel horn echoing off the canyon walls? Are the tracks welded or do the wheels go clackety-clack where the rails join?


While this whole discussion about sound is a good example of how journalism works, or doesn't work, it is almost meaningless in understanding how a building in Surfside came to an end. Remember, all news source's main goal is to sell as many copies as possible.

Are we selling the steak or the sizzle?
Gotta' go, my favorite "Bubble-headed bleach blond" is coming on at 5 and I've got some "Dirty Laundry" to take care of.

 

[AutisticBez]

Rusted rebar snapping sending vibrations through a buildings column might sound like a drill. I would assume predicting sound patterns through a gigantic 12 floor building might be difficult for the human imagination to understand. Might need the mythbusters team on this. Maybe they could drive a car into the north tower and record the results?

 

[Demented]

@Nukmeman948
Unclamped quarter inch marine brass with a nicely razor sharpened aircraft HSS bit in a hammer drill on full send with the lazy man button engaged.

Precision guess work based on information provided by those of questionable knowledge

 

[rodface]

Jumped into the thread after a few days without checking, not disappointed:

Does a tornado sound like a freight train, circus train or a bullet train? Steam engine, electric trolley or diesel? Are there crossing bells?

Unclamped quarter inch marine brass with a nicely razor sharpened aircraft HSS bit in a hammer drill on full send with the lazy man button engaged.

LOL

 

[CE3527]

Right, we're in a holding pattern here until NIST releases its report in 2027.

 

[MaudSTL]

While you’re waiting for two or three years for the NIST report, you may be interested in the Miami Herald’s report (complete with the click-baity headline and anti-Surfside snark) on NIST’s difficulty getting 40-year-old building documentation. No, Champlain Towers records apparently weren’t stolen — but Surfside still can’t find some

 

[AusG]

Herald article

There seems to be an air of bullheadedness between surfside and the other authorities.

Re the missing as-builts. Morabito would not have used old plans if his client had newer ones. Has anyone noticed structural differences between Morabito drawings and the originals?

 

[Cool_Controls]

The city I live in cant locate drawings for buildings built less than 20yezrs ago.

 

[MaudSTL]

FIU incorporates the CTS collapse into their coursework. In the absence of chemical analysis data, students are building a model and looking at column collapse, inadequate expansion joints, and column sizing as factors.

https://www.nbcmiami.com/on-air/as-...ding-and-possible-collapse-scenarios/2558608/

 

[Jeff Ostroff]

I just uploaded "Miami Condo Collapse EXCLUSIVE On-Site Photos Close Up Columns":

https://youtu.be/Jje8KYHN6kw

There are over 100 photos shot on the condo collapse site a few days ago, showing closeups of the pumps in the foundation pumping out water, and closeups of certain columns, the H-beam, and the vestibule in the garage.

 

[SFCharlie]

There are over 100 photos shot on the condo collapse site a few days ago

URL Please, while I go what your new video!
Thanks.


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[Sym P. le]

I just uploaded "Miami Condo Collapse EXCLUSIVE On-Site Photos Close Up Columns":

https://youtu.be/Jje8KYHN6kw

From 7:43 of Jeff's video, I see a problem. The original slab and topping were buried under a second slab, topping, and pavers.

All bets are off. The evidence is clear.