Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XIII 26

[dik]

For earlier threads, see:
thread1618-496010
thread1618-496614
thread1618-497017
thread1618-497239
thread1618-497988
thread1618-498967
thread1618-501135
thread1618-504850
thread1618-506948
thread1618-507973
thread1618-510266
thread1618-512015


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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[dik]

I guess the supply has to come from somewhere...
This tells pretty much the same story. Funny, China is not the 'the head of the class'.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[Tomfh]

Again with per capita, Dik

It’s such a blatant sleight of hand to downplay China’s massive emissions by simply dividing them by its enormous population.

 

[SwinnyGG]

Monthly check in to see if everyone in this waste of a thread is still firmly entrenched in their positions and talking past each other

Yup.

See y'all in October.

 

[hokie66]

Yearly is probably often enough.

 

[SnTMan]

LOL

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[dik]

No slight of hand... they have 5x the population of the US. On a per capita basis, The US has nearly twice the carbon footprint of China.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[dik]

Yup... Interesting that this year China has had 85 submissions for new coal fired plants refused... they are going for green. With the way they do things, it will be interesting to see how quickly they bring this to fruition. Guess where they get most of their coal? Maybe some coal mines will be shutting down.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[JoshPlumSE]

No slight of hand... they have 5x the population of the US. On a per capita basis, The US has nearly twice the carbon footprint of China.

For what it's worth, I think the other side (frequently Dik) makes good points. I think looking at the total emissions and the emissions per capita are BOTH quite helpful.

What's also helpful is looking at the trends. Are they accelerating, decreasing or what? And at what rate?


When you look at the trends (the accelerating CO2 per capital or total) coming out of China and the decreasing CO2 (per Capital or total) coming from Europe and the US, then you get a sense of where the biggest obstacles to solving WORLDWIDE global warming will be.

I'll also point out that Australia's efforts to reduce their CO2 footprint are (to me at least) meaningless when it means economic hardship for the citizens.... But, the Coal Mining companies are still booming because they're just selling their Coal to China.

 

[hokie66]

The 'Coal Mining companies' in Australia are not booming. The money goes to prop up the governments, state and federal through royalties.

 

[SwinnyGG]

The US has nearly twice the carbon footprint of China.

What is the point you are actually trying to make? That China is an example to be followed?

My personal CO2 emissions statistic of choice is kg CO2 emitted per real dollar of GDP. I like this data point for two reasons:

1) it's a direct measure of how efficient a particular national economy is at extracting actual value from expended energy (which, in my opinion, is the metric that should be the focus for improvement) and

2) it normalizes for geographical size, population, economic focus, etc - a bunch of factors that make the energy consumption of various countries difficult to compare.

Statistics from 2023 for the top 20 world economies:

Switzerland: 0.06 kg/$GDP
France: 0.11 kg/$GDP
UK: 0.12 kg/$GDP
Netherlands: 0.14 kg/$GDP
Brazil: 0.15 kg/$GDP
Spain: 0.15 kg/$GDP
Italy: 0.16 kg/$GDP
Germany: 0.17 kg/$GDP
Turkey: 0.18 kg/$GDP
Indonesia: 0.21 kg/$GDP
Japan: 0.22 kg/$GDP
Mexico: 0.25 kg/$GDP
USA: 0.26 kg/$GDP
India: 0.27 kg/$GDP
South Korea: 0.28 kg/$GDP
Australia: 0.29 kg/$GDP
Canada: 0.31 kg/$GDP
Saudi Arabia: 0.36 kg/$GDP
China: 0.42 kg/$GDP
Russia: 0.44 kg/$GDP

By this metric, we should be studying what they're doing in the EU, Japan, and Brazil - and basically ignoring what is happening in China and Russia completely.

 

[btrueblood]

That's a pretty good metric, Swinny.

 

[dik]

Commission mulls solar radiation modification to curb global warming

https://www.euronews.com/green/2024...radiation-modification-to-curb-global-warming

"The European Commission is assessing the viability of technologies designed to modify solar radiation in a bid to slash greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from the atmosphere, according to remarks shared by an EU official at an Euronews event held in Brussels today (September 24).

So-called 'geoengineering' refers to techniques aimed at removing CO2 and modifying levels of solar radiation in the atmosphere. Vicky Pollard, policy officer at the Commission’s climate action department, said the term covers a “very wide range of possible technologies”, including strategies to release particles into the atmosphere to reflect sunlight and reduce global temperature."

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

If they limit the amount of solar radiation in the atmosphere won't that negatively impact the power from the wind turbines?

 

[dik]

There will likely be all sorts of effects.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[btrueblood]

Wups, sorry about this ice age, fellas.

 

[dold]

Commission mulls solar radiation modification to curb global warming

 

[dik]

"Carla Sands is no stranger to far-fetched ideas.

In 2019, while serving as an ambassador under then-President Donald Trump, she played a role in his quixotic effort to buy Greenland from Denmark. More recently, Sands has said without evidence that children are committing suicide to save the planet from global warming and that the Biden administration’s climate policies suggest the influence of Chinese corruption.

Now, with Election Day fast approaching, Sands is in position to sway an effort that isn’t far-fetched at all — shaping the people and policies that would guide a second Trump administration.

Since 2022, Sands has worked as a top energy official at the America First Policy Institute, a think tank that got a huge boost in August when Trump picked Linda McMahon — the group’s board chair — to serve as co-chair of his presidential transition team."

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/19/climate-change-trump-adviser-00184464

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[GregLocock]

engineering solution? Please see title of forum.

Cheers

Greg Locock


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[dik]

Just showing you some of the 'stuff' out there...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[dik]

A recent court case in Canada:

"In what some have called a game-changing decision, an Ontario court has ruled that the provincial government's weakened climate target could violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Ecojustice, Canada's largest environmental law charity, says the decision marks the first time that Ontario's highest court has ruled that a government's climate actions are subject to the Charter. Ecojustice backed the seven young people who brought forward the case.

While the case now goes back to a lower provincial court, experts say the decision has sent shockwaves through some legal and policy circles — and could have meaningful consequences for governments that dial down their climate commitments."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/court-of-appeal-ontario-decision-1.7356540

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik