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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XIII 27

dik

dik

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Interesting name for a glacier...

"Ocean water is pushing miles beneath Antarctica’s “Doomsday Glacier,” making it more vulnerable to melting than previously thought, according to new research which used radar data from space to perform an X-ray of the crucial glacier.

As the salty, relatively warm ocean water meets the ice, it’s causing “vigorous melting” underneath the glacier and could mean global sea level rise projections are being underestimated, according to the study published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctica — nicknamed the “Doomsday Glacier” because its collapse could cause catastrophic sea level rise — is the world’s widest glacier and roughly the size of Florida. It’s also Antarctica’s most vulnerable and unstable glacier, in large part because the land on which it sits slopes downward, allowing ocean waters to eat away at its ice.

Thwaites, which already contributes 4% to global sea level rise, holds enough ice to raise sea levels by more than 2 feet. But because it also acts as a natural dam to the surrounding ice in West Antarctica, scientists have estimated its complete collapse could ultimately lead to around 10 feet of sea level rise — a catastrophe for the world’s coastal communities."


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...and in Europe, too... AMOC may influence this, we just don't know, yet.

"Since the 1980s, Europe has been warming twice as fast as the global average, becoming the fastest-warming continent. This is due to several factors, including the proportion of European land in the Arctic, which is the fastest-warming region on Earth. Europe’s fast warming is also caused by changes in atmospheric circulation which cause more frequent summer heatwaves. Glaciers are melting, and there are changes in the pattern of precipitation. An increase in extreme rainfall is leading to catastrophic events, such as the widespread flooding seen in Italy, Greece, Slovenia, Norway and Sweden in 2023. Meanwhile, southern Europe has suffered from widespread droughts and wildfires. Overall, the frequency and severity of extreme events is increasing. Estimates indicate economic losses from weather- and climate-related events in Europe reached €13.4 billion in 2023. Millions of people were affected, and at least 151 lives were lost in due to flooding, storms, and wildfires."


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This is due to several factors, including the proportion of European land in the Arctic, which is the fastest-warming region on Earth. Europe’s fast warming is also caused by changes in atmospheric circulation which cause more frequent summer heatwaves
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So, one of the problems with our "global warming" narrative is that it assumes all areas are affected by Global Warming the same. And, our best data to justify this is from Ice Cores towards the North and South Poles..... Well, there is some good data to suggest that Global warming doesn't affect the temperatures in the tropics much. So, there could be a lot of bias in the temperature data. Bias that is used to drive a political narrative....
 
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Dik said:
Millions of people were affected, and at least 151 lives were lost in due to flooding, storms, and wildfires.
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Now do how many people were affected by or lost their lives related to COLD temperatures. I think you'll find that deaths due to cold are an order of magnitude higher than deaths attributed to "climate change" or hot weather. Oh wait, we've already done that many times in this forum!

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Overall, the frequency and severity of extreme events is increasing.
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Okay, now show how the number of fatalities due to "extreme events" has been increasing. Or rather, I think you'll find that the number of fatalities due to these extreme events has gone down EXPONENTIALLY over the last 150 years or so.... Oh wait, we've done that many times on this forum as well!

Sheesh!

I think it gets very tiring to see the same old (and disproven) talking points posted here ever few days. We do understand that the world temperatures (especially in the artic) are increasing significantly. It's not really a question, it's more along the lines of what we can do about it most efficiently with our limited resources.
 
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Josh... in spite of having lots of advance warning...

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Dik -

What actual "news" is reported in that video you shared? It gave almost no information about what is actually in the Florida law the guy is complaining about. It came off (at least to me) as a guy just ranting about something that he didn't like.

If you want actual information about what Florida is doing, this is a much better article. If you read this article, the law isn't anywhere near as extreme as this clown said it was. Basically, they're just repealing things that gave preferential treatment to green energy projects and punished natural gas (which is still pretty green).


For what it's worth, we can expect this sort of "reporting" a lot in the near future. Climate zealots moaning and groaning because certain states (and countries) refuse to enact suicidal energy policies based on their fear mongering.
 
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Yes dik, I hope other states do follow Florida's lead and remove references to the myth of the climate change crisis from their laws. Politically-motivated hoaxes have no place in the law.
 
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For what it's worth so many of these laws and regulations that "support" that climate change agenda are merely "performative" in nature.

The best example I can give would be California's that that states that 100% of cars sold in the state must be electric / zero emission cars. The same state that last summer told people they were not allowed to charge their cars on some days because there wasn't enough electricity. LOL. You'll see this law collapse (or be amended) in 2026 when the first part becomes mandatory... That 35% of all cars sold in the state be plug-in hybrid, electric or zero emission cars. People will merely buy their cars in other states and bring them into CA. Or, voters will rebel and demand that they be allowed to buy the cars they actually want still.

 
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Simply buying a car out of state may not be an option. California law states that residents cannot register cars that don't meet California's specific emissions laws unless the car has over 7500 miles.

I can see car rental companies taking advantage of this. Buy new cars, put 7500 miles on them, and sell them in California at greater than MSRP.
 
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Current fuss and bother about a heatwave in USA

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Comprehensively debunked

Atlanta, Georgia:
• Tue 6/18: 89° / record: 101° (1944)
• Wed 6/19: 89° / record: 99° (1933)
• Thu 6/20: 90° / record: 98° (1933)
• Fri 6/21: 93° / 98° (1933)
• Sat 6/22: 97° / 98° (1964 and 2022)
• Sun 6/23: 97° / 99° (1930 and 1944)
• Mon: 6/25: 95° / 99° (1930 and 1988)

Chicago, Illinois:
• Tue 6/18: 93° / record: 98° (1954)
• Wed 6/19: 95° / record: 102° (1953)
• Thu 6/20: 89° / record: 104° (1988)
• Fri 6/21: 92° / record: 101° (1988)
• Sat 6/22: 96° / record: 97° (1988)
• Sun 6/23: 86° / record: 97° (1930)
• Mon 6/24: 85° / record: 97° (1937 and 1953)

New York City, NY:
• Tue 6/18: 89° / record: 95° (1929)
• Wed 6/19: 91° / record: 98° (1994)
• Thu 6/20: 94° / record: 98° (1923)
• Fri 6/21: 94° / record: 97° (1953 and 1988)
• Sat 6/22: 88° / record: 98° (1988)
• Sun 6/23: 89° / record: 96° (1888)
• Mon 6/24: 87° / record: 96° (1888)

Oklahoma City, OK:
• Tue 6/18: 87° / record: 104° (2011)
• Wed 6/19: 89° / record: 101° (1918, 1953 and 2011)
• Thu 6/20: 86° / record: 104° (1918 and 1953)
• Fri 6/21: 91° / record: 104° (1936 and 1988) • Sat 6/22: 95° / record: 107° (1936) • Sun 6/23: 97° / record: 101° (1925, 1933 and 1934)
• Mon 6/24: 98° / record: 104° (1911)

St. Louis, MO:
• Tue 6/18: 91° / 101° (2021)
• Wed 6/19: 95° / 105° (1936)
• Thu 6/20: 96° / 103° (1953)
• Fri 6/21: 98° / 99° (1988) • Sat 6/22: 99° / 102° (1930)
• Sun 6/23: 94° / 101° (1930)
• Mon 6/24: 95° / 102° (1988)

Washington, D.C.:
• Tue 6/18: 92° / 97° (1944)
• Wed 6/19: 89° / 99° (1994)
• Thu 6/20: 92° / 99° (1931)
• Fri 6/21: 96° / 99° (2012)
• Sat 6/22: 97° / 101° (1988)
• Sun 6/23: 97° / 98° (1988)
• Mon 6/24: 93° / 100° (2010)

and of course none of this mentions the urban heat island effect, which is probably 3-5 deg F these days.

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I can see car rental companies taking advantage of this. Buy new cars, put 7500 miles on them, and sell them in California at greater than MSRP.
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Dealers too. There are plenty of dealers who will have loner cars or such where they put on some mileage. But, to the point where they are still considered "new" cars. We did that int 2016 with the GMC terrain we bought. We got a great deal on it because it had just under 4k miles on it already.

I can see dealers all over the country doing this, shipping their loaner cars out to CA (or to the cities bordering CA) so that they can sell them for greater than the cost of a new car to California residents desperate to avoid the insane CA laws. Granted, it won't get to that. Because CA voters will introduce a proposition to change the law before any of this becomes too common place. Or, just as likely, our legislature will realize that this "virtue signaling" will get them voted out of office if they don't repeal the crazy law. And, Newsome (and his presidential ambitions) will be long gone by then.
 
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Dik said:
European power
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What's most interesting to me about that article is I learned that, for Europe, Nuclear is the largest source of electric power. That's a big deal to me.

I have no problem with replacing as much of our fossil fuel electricity with Nuclear as we can... as fast as we can. That makes perfect sense to me from an economic standpoint and from an environmental standpoint.
 
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As long as it's done properly, there is no issue with nuclear power... it's safe and cheap. China has two or three of the new (actually old) ones they are constructing which apparently are really safe. They also have EV which cost about $17,000 US, but the US wants to put 100% tariffs on them. Only when countries do not use fossil fuels for power do these make any sense.



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Not quite... nearly 70% is by fossil fuels...


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