Things are Starting to Warm Up Part II 24

[dik]

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[TugboatEng]

IR, climate scientists, what we see of them in the media, lack the most fundamental understanding of thermodynamics. The constant talk of temperature instead of heat is evidence. You even said it, they underestimated how much heat the ocean can sink. It's as if they don't appreciate the specific heat of water vs. air.

I don't think they even understand the basic mechanisms. Evaporation increases the specific heat of the atmosphere which does slow warming. Maybe the heat isn't being sunk by the ocean at all. Has the specific heat of our atmosphere increased as a result of global warming? What is the quantity of energy stored in our atmosphere? Why are these basic thermodynamics questions never asked?

What types of degrees allow one to call themselves a "climate scientist"? Is there even a definition of a "climate scientist"?

 

[IRstuff]

climate scientists, what we see of them in the media, lack the most fundamental understanding of thermodynamics. The constant talk of temperature instead of heat is evidence.

No, that's because the measure of heat IS the temperature; there is no surrogate for heat in units of megajoules that can be measured. Temperature rise IS the indication of heat rise; even Fourier's Law is written that way.

The fact that you ignore that and attack scientists belies any serious point you could possibly make.

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[TugboatEng]

I see you've never used a psychometric chart.

No, heat can't be measured directly but heat is absolutely not temperature. However, knowing the composition of the atmosphere, water content being the most variable component hence the psychrometer, one can make a very reasonable estimation of the "heat".

I'm not attacking scientists. I don't think climatologists are scientists. I'm attacking climatologists. We have an entire segment dedicated not to understanding the mechanisms of climate change but instead trying to predict how bad it could be. The more dire the prediction the higher their paycheck. Climate scientists absolutely need to be scrutinized at every level. They are a conflict of interest.

 

[dik]

I suspect strongly that entalpy is not a fixed value and that it is increasing significantly... any thoughts on that?

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[dik]

A new report on the fauna of Australia... Why am I in this handbasket, and where am I going?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...ls-shocking-decline-in-its-unique-environment

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[rb1957]

you know what, I stand corrected.

civil unrest would be the downfall of our civilsation. it'll fall as a result of the endless vitriol spewed over this climate change "issue".

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[dik]

and more problems on the horizon... we have to start addressing them rather than let them accumulate...

https://marineindustrynews.co.uk/atlantic-ocean-pretty-much-dead/

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[TugboatEng]

Dik, that's exactly the question I am asking. Why is there no data on enthalpy?

 

[dik]

I suspect millions of people starving and dying of thirst might have a bit of an impact, too. Whatcha think?

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[dik]

Maybe they cannot keep up with the changes? or maybe recording the changes may be very difficult? I'm surprised that there is not a computer model of this in somebody's basement...

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[hokie66]

Tomfh's question is certainly applicable to Australia. The whole continent is registering record low temperatures, and the scientists say the most likely reason is buildup of ice in Antarctica.

 

[RVAmeche]

Yes, we all know you people love to cite "the media" in creating panic and hysteria on the issue while also conveniently claiming all the data is faked.

How about this source - The Artifical Production of Carbon Dioxide, by G.S. Callendar, 1938. Surely "big media" wasn't already influencing scientists almost a hundred years ago? Yes, numbers/calculations vary due to the field in its infancy, but the point remains that the base concept (humans are creating massive amounts of CO2 -> this mostly ends up in the atmosphere -> this has an impact on temperature) was well established even by 1938. Everything since has been trying to figure out precisely HOW BAD things will get and increasing confidence intervals. Hell, simple experiments with glass jars (exactly like it was done in the mid 1800s) will show that CO2 captures more heat than air, nitrogen, or oxygen. Yet otherwise smart people on this site continue to say that even the greenhouse effect itself isn't real.

Excerpt from 1938:

Letter to the President by Office of Science & Technology in 1977 (shocker, the Chief of Staff said that "economic impacts" due to policy change would be too severe":

 

[rb1957]

"I suspect millions of people starving and dying of thirst might have a bit of an impact, too. Whatcha think? ponder" ...

that's what I envisioned with "social unset". now I reckon we won't make it that far ...

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[TugboatEng]

Good letter, RVA. 45 years later and we are nowhere approaching the 5°C in 60 year normal temperature swing. I guess it's a good thing the Chief of Staff ignored the letter.

 

[dik]

The key word is climate change... some places will get warmer, some will get colder. The net result is that the earth is warming and overall the temperature is going up, with unpredictable results... Hold on to your hat...

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[Pud]

Record highs in uk today. My son and me have spent the afternoon in a 200yr old pub with 3ft thick stone walls. Nice and cool, no aircon.


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[IRstuff]

Record highs in uk today. My son and me have spent the afternoon in a 200yr old pub with 3ft thick stone walls. Nice and cool, no aircon.

Not a global warming thing, so just ignore it; everything is as it should be

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[dik]

IRS... what happens when it gets hotter and for longer periods of time... just ignore it, too?

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[Pud]

Not sure about global warming. Step outside and it's like getting off an aircraft in Spain, Corfu or Canary Isles. Never known it this warm.
Apparently the Romans when they were here, had vineyards as far north as York. Vineyards only in South of England now.(They left in AD410).
Went rabbitting yesterday, even they were staying underground!


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[dik]

It appears that Greenland is becoming green again...

https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/19/greenland-threatens/

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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