Things are Starting to Warm Up. 21

[dik]

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...mothers-bear-brunt-climate-change-2022-06-14/

a sign of things to come... hold on to your hats, folks.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik

 

[dik]

As I said before, scary sciency presentations are designed to fool you.

Your considerable intellectual exertions still fail to jibe with my own experience over a lifetime (assisted by my uncanny ability to remember how conditions were 40 and 20 years ago). The harder you try the more it becomes clear you are looking for facts and doing calcs to fit your firm beliefs.

Suggest you pause the selective number crunching and get outdoors more often. Just be sure to prepare for the new normal by hydrating well beforehand.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[TugboatEng]

It's weird seeing the civil engineering forum so close to the climate change forum. We all know there is a certain group of members that can't remain civil on this subject.

Maybe, ironic, you need to start a new Reddit account to vent on? To release some heat, if you catch my drift.

Whatever you do, your signature needs an adjustment.

 

[rb1957]

and another climate change thread goes down the googler !

Everyone has data or "data" to support their position.

We Know we're pushing CO2 into the atmosphere. We don't Know the impact of this. Quite certainly burning FF is not a "natural" process, and so is having an "unnatural" impact on the environment.

We are quite certainly in the Anthropocene, for a multitude of reasons.

We should, IMHO, recognise that we are affecting the environment and take measures to reduce this.

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[dik]

Marxism will not help, but we are not in this mess because of Marxism.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Marxism will help because it will tank economies and cause a mass die-off of the human race. This is what ironic wants.

 

[dik]

Sure, Tug... but that may happen anyway. We're only seeing the beginning of this mess, I fear.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Aha, finally found someone looking in the right direction. Here is a study of equivalent temperature which factors in moisture content to estimate enthalpy.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ChAWegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw0udJjX0Dc3ZHrFe0cTK1gG

 

[dik]

TBE,

Enquiring minds and armchair analysts demand to know, what else about me can you share with the group? I’m dying to know too.

You know if you don’t have a personal monitor to check your stuff before hitting send, try reading it out loud to hear how it sounds. That technique has saved me posting some boffo comments. Comments like (for example) “crush the Capitalist Pigs!!”, or “Scrap everything and go back to living in caves!!” I keep those brilliant thoughts to myself.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[TugboatEng]

Such a glorious concept, the Free Market of Ideas...

 

[GregLocock]

Another problem with that CO2 graph is they've cut and pasted results from different proxies together with the instrumental record, ignoring the different time constants of the various estimates. The correct thing to do is to display each proxy forward to the present day so you can see how well they agree. If you do this with the hockey stick reconstruction for temperature the proxies (specifically the Biffa pine trees) don't actually indicate much warming. That is not to say that there isn't warming, merely that proxies aren't instruments, and any reconstructions are totally reliant on the integrity of the methods used to create them.

Here's Biffa's 20th century reconstruction. Woo frightening warming. As anybody who lives in a forest will tell you, rainfall is a much more important indicator for tree growth than temperature.

Cheers

Greg Locock


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[dik]

and some parts will be cooler... but last year parts of Siberia hit +30C, releasing more CO[sub]2[/sub]... stuff happens.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Do say: “Things are enthalpying up.”
Don’t say: “I feel hotter than I did before.”

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[TugboatEng]

You have a basic misunderstanding of the physical world.

 

[dik]

No Tug... I think his statement is OK, almost... because it is happening, I think he could be feeling hotter, too.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

But you could feel hotter due to an increase in solar irradiance without an increase in temperature. That's how shade works.

 

[dik]

It seems like the sun rays are hotter now than when I was a kid... might just be old age, but it seem hotter.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[hokie66]

Just your age. My Dad talked about walking to school as a boy. The older Dad got, the farther he had to walk to school, and the deeper the snow was.

 

[dik]

No such luck... back and forth twice a day, 200 days per year minimum (was a requirement for minimum school year), neither up hill or downhill (Winnipeg's flatter than p*ss on a plate), rain or snow and cold winters...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

That's how shade works.

Well shade would work if I hadn’t cut down my only tree for firewood because of Global Cooling.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[dik]

I should maybe have given this thread a different title, "Things are Starting to Warm Heat Up"

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/c...impressive-heat-wave-roasts-the-arctic-circle

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik