Things are Starting to Warm Up. 21

[dik]

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...mothers-bear-brunt-climate-change-2022-06-14/

a sign of things to come... hold on to your hats, folks.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

Nah, it should have been "let's have another argument about the climate".

could add the adjective "pointless" to qualify "argument".

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[dik]

Pointless because they are not doing anything about it? or because there is no need to do anything? I'm in the first group and it makes a big difference.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

has anything discussed above had much point ? No one has changed their minds, each has data to support their view. Each has their own hill (that they wish to die on), ie an opinion passionately held. these threads (on climate change) have a predictable trajectory, and as they all end up at the same impasse then the argument is pointless.

Whether it's pointless because we're not doing anything (or enough) about it or because there's no need to do anything is a pointless demarcation.


another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[dik]

rb1957,

There's reality, and there's what we believe ( more ‘believe' than 'think') reality is.

The former is objective, the latter heavily subjective and shaded by our geolocation and in what perspectives our minds have been steeped in.


"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[dik]

Maybe

You probably think you're clever, but that answer reveals more than an outright 'no'.

So no marks for cleverness. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, etc.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[SuperSalad]

Aw shucks

- Andrew

 

[dik]

'Pointless'? The end result may be same, but with a definitely different focus. The way things are going, I'm just waiting for things to happen; there's little I can do about it. It requires a major effort by 'the world'... starting with the greatest offenders, and it's not going to happen.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Seriously? There is a worldwide faction that is SO concerned they have convinced children they have no future.

Many children I know have figured things out for themselves; nobody brainwashed them.

Sadly it is that people who should be having their own children who are not, while less thoughtful types mindlessly follow what has forever been the cultural imperative in all societies and will continue going forth and multiply. And continuing commuting to work in monster diesel pickups, etc.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[dik]

I have no idea of what it could be. There is, however, a potential that it may be very bleek. I've revised my tagline to reflect a recent comment from my son...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Tomfh]

There is a worldwide faction that is SO concerned they have convinced children they have no future.

This shows how deranged and detached from reality the climate movement has become. A lot of people now believe that human life will shortly be WORSE than at any other time in all of human history. So much worse in fact that life isn’t worth living. We are increasingly seeing people not having children because they don’t want their child being born into “hell”. We are seeing impressionable school children taking their own lives after being taught this extreme stuff. Being taught they’re going to BURN. It’s like those religious sects who take their children to “hell house” museums, to show them vivid descriptions of the horrific tortures that await them if they fail to repent.

It’s no coincidence that climate activists latch onto these same emotive terms “HELL”, “BURN”, “APOCALYPSE”. It’s the same twisted mindset.

 

[dik]

Not sure where you are coming from, but do you know you sound just like whoever it is you are ranting about?

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[dik]

The real problem is that no one knows where this will end up. It may be a simple 'blip' or it could get really bad. I mean really bad, with mass starvation and political upheaval.

The approach to the problem (and I think it's a real problem) isn't being addressed. With doing little or nothing, it's a matter of letting things 'play out' and picking up the pieces, if req'd. No one can hazard a guess... it's a matter of waiting.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Tomfh]

Not sure where you are coming from,

You haven’t heard the people talking about the climate hell that is upon us? A hellish world in which our children will be better off never having been born?

 

[dik]

Seems like anyone expressing the opinion that AGW is happening and is a threat to life as we know it is a member of the deranged and detached from reality climate movement (favourite drink: Koolaid).

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[rb1957]

and this discussion of "pointless" clearly shows how pointless this is.

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[LionelHutz]

The real problem is that no one knows where this will end up. It may be a simple 'blip' or it could get really bad. I mean really bad, with mass starvation and political upheaval.

The approach to the problem (and I think it's a real problem) isn't being addressed. With doing little or nothing, it's a matter of letting things 'play out' and picking up the pieces, if req'd. No one can hazard a guess... it's a matter of waiting.

So, what's the solution? Massive upheaval based on not knowing what will happen? According to some of the science being posted here, nothing short of massive upheaval changes in society could have a chance of fixing it. The science saying we need to stop all carbon emissions doesn't mean net neutral by buying some carbon credits, it means stopping all emissions. Slowly switching to electric cars or capturing carbon or putting up some more solar cells are all good small improvements, but they don't go nearly far enough.

I will say that AGW works amazingly well at giving everyone something to focus on so we keep ignoring all the other destructive crap we're doing to the planet.

 

[rb1957]

"I will say that AGW works amazingly well at giving everyone something to focus on so we keep ignoring all the other destructive crap we're doing to the planet." ... that's a statement I can support !

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[dik]

It's too late now, but maybe we shouldn't have gotten ourselves in this mess in the first place... even space is littered with 'junk'. A comment that is common the the 'First Poeoples' is that we don't own the future, we borrow it from our grandchildren.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

"It's too late now" ...
see, that's the trap that climate activists set for themselves. They've painted the picture so dark that nothing will resolve the problem. So we might as well fiddle whilst Rome burns.

But then somewhat reasonable people will ask "but if the severity of the problem is slightly over-stated, and remedial measures can work, then we should deploy these other solutions".

Other reasonable people might ask "but what if the whole problem is over-stated, and reducing CO2 doesn't resolve climate change ?".

And others will also quite rightly say "fine, but what about ... (one of the other myriad human activities affecting the environment) ?"

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[dik]

…and the future is calling our loan

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."