Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part VIII 9

[dik]

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-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

No units, no value. That's what I have to say for that graphic.

 

[Luceid]

dik's chart reference with a scale attached

https://showyourstripes.info/c/northamerica/usa/california

 

[dik]

Thanks Luceid... I gave him the link, so he could find his own location... but he wasn't curious enough, I guess... It will be interesting to see what the next 20 years, will bring. I generally capture it without the timeline... makes a neat barcode.

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[BridgeSmith]

I generally capture it without the timeline... makes a neat barcode.

Yeah, it looks to me like about all it would be good for.

 

[JoshPlumSE]

Interesting, that graph that Luceid showed doesn't say what you think it says..... If the midline is the expected "average" temperatures then it shows that if you include all those years then the 'average' doesn't really appear to change. You just have a period of cold in the early 1900s and a period of heat in the 2000's that appear to cancel each other out.

This is kind of how averages work. That's statistics. You might get some extremes on one side or the other. But, the average can still remain the same.

Now, what would be really interesting is how this data was measured. Is it in the same location? Is this an amalgam of multiple locations. How many of those locations are in locations that haven't really changed since 1900. Meaning does this graph make any attempt to address the "Urban Heat Island" effect?

We've had satellites and weather balloons in the upper atmosphere for 50+ years now. How many of these have information on temperatures? What do these temperature readings say? Similar thing for Ocean temperature readings away from shore and not on the immediate surface. Those are much less "variable" data that doesn't need to be corrected as much. Let's look at THAT data and see what it says.

 

[dik]

It says 0 is the average temperature from 1971-2000. The graph values are the differences in annual average compared to that...

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[dik]

Josh, there is no rocket science to determine the average temperature during a 'day' period. It's easy to calculate an average of a continuum of values. This is done for a 'yearly' period... just as easy... this average value is compared to the average temperature value for 1971 to 2000, with a plus or minus value depending on what the value.

At a glance, the graph shows the transition from 'blue' on the LHS t 'red' on the RHS... no rocket science or difficulty in understanding that, or there shouldn't be.

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-Dik

 

[BridgeSmith]

...does this graph make any attempt to address the "Urban Heat Island" effect?

Doubtful. I've never seen data from any of the government-funded sources that do.

 

[GregLocock]

dik will you at least acknowledge that "hurricanes decreasing, tornados decreasing, floods and droughts same as usual." is an accurate summary?

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[TugboatEng]

It says 0 is the average temperature from 1971-2000. The graph values are the differences in annual average compared to that.

Why would they use such a narrow range of data to produce the average instead of the entire range?

 

[SwinnyGG]

due to the well-documented effects of urban heat islands.

What exactly do you think the effects of urban heat islands are?

 

[JoshPlumSE]

Why would they use such a narrow range of data to produce the average instead of the entire range?

Because if they used the entire range, it might not show what they want to show....

What exactly do you think the effects of urban heat islands are?

Doubtful. I've never seen data from any of the government-funded sources that do.

First, the well document effects of "Urban Heat Islands" looks at the urbanization of temperature measurement statements over time. For example, the temperature censor may have been in a farmer's field or an orchard in 1900. Surrounded by ground, plants, streams and such. Then that area got developed, so in the year 1980, it is surrounded by concrete and asphalt with an exhaust vent from an air conditioning unit nearby. All of the changes to the environment mean that the temperature is artificially inflated based on it's surroundings.

Now, contrary to what BridgeSmith, all the major temperature recording folks tend to have statements about how they've accounted for this effect. There is, in fact, tremendous effort that goes into adjusting this data.

https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/3071/the-raw-truth-on-global-temperature-records/

That being said, the HUGE controversy is that these research groups have not be very good at record keeping what they've done, where and why. So much so, that these groups (particular the CRU) has failed in it's main job of collecting reliable and transparent data. See link below. This isn't the controversy I remember, but it's the correct time frame (2009-ish). I remember one of the directors resigning or being fired. Basically admitting that they didn't do a good job of "record keeping" which was the research teams MAIN RESPONSIBILITY:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

 

[hokie66]

The Senate has just passed a bill like the House passed to reinstate tariffs on Chinese solar panels. There are more important things than rooftop solar. But Biden has promised to veto it.

https://rollcall.com/2023/04/28/with-defectors-on-both-sides-house-passes-solar-tariff-measure/

 

[dik]

It shows that in recent times there is a general shift in temperatures from cool to warmer... that's all it shows. It's an immediate visual display showing that recently (last few decades) things are generally warming up, and it does that well. In addition you can see how things have heated up elsewhere in the same period.

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[dik]

I don't know about the frequencies of these events are, but from what I've read, the intensities are increasing. This latter is consistent with global warming.

https://www.climate.gov/news-featur...obably-increasing-intensity-tropical-cyclones

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[dik]

The bill might be in the best interests of the American manufacturers. The end result is the panels will become more expensive. Having the least costly solar panels will encourage people to buy them. Politics in action...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[hokie66]

Buy cheap solar panels, along with cheap installation, stand back and watch your house burn. Not for me.

 

[dik]

You can buy good, inexpensive ones... not necessarily 'fire starters'. The expensive ones may be just as prone to causing fires. Mind you, if the cheap ones allow more of them to be purchased, then there may be a greater likelihood for a fire, just based on the numbers. You never know... and you don't know where the 'false starts' will occur.

Next step, the twilight zone. with apologies to Rod Stirling.

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[GregLocock]

Sorry, those are projections not measurements.

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[GregLocock]

Data, not projections

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/inco...olent-tornadoes-fell-to-a-record-low-in-2018/

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