Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part VIII 9

[dik]

thread1618-496010
thread1618-496614
thread1618-497017
thread1618-497239
thread1618-497988
thread1618-498967
thread1618-501135

-----*****-----
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Thanks Greg... I'll take a peek. I've downloaded the US major storm data. Again with climate change, since the storm data indicates that the events are increasing in intensity, it may be an anomaly that they are increasing elsewhere, and not in the US. I'll look further.

[URL unfurl="true"]https://res.cloudinary.com/engineering-com/raw/upload/v1683211782/tips/Most_Intense_3_4_5_Continental_United_States_Hurricanes_1851_-_1970_and_1983-2022_slwccv.ods[/url]

[URL unfurl="true"]https://res.cloudinary.com/engineering-com/raw/upload/v1683211804/tips/North_Atlantic_Hurricane_Basin_1851-2022_sjtbkp.ods[/url]

-----*****-----
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dold]

The bill might be in the best interests of the American manufacturers. The end result is the panels will become more expensive. Having the least costly solar panels will encourage people to buy them

So instead of rewarding the countries who are abiding by (or at least very vocal about) all of these self imposed economic restrictions in the name of climate change, we should give our business to China who continues to build coal fired power plants, maintains terrible working conditions for workers, and where manufacturers go seemingly unpunished for their pollution of the water, air, and land? Resulting in a market flooded with more cheap, hard to recycle, throwaway products? Take a look at the Chinese electric vehicle industry and products - it's trash.

Seems like the bill would actually be in the best interests of everyone, especially those demanding climate action?

 

[dik]

It may the lesser of two evils? and, further delays implementing of 'green' power.

China seems to be doing some work:

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-En...-Renewable-Energy-Consumption-Is-Soaring.html

Coal power is just a 'dirtier' type of carbon... but if you are using fossil fuels for the production of power, it still adds to the problem.

-----*****-----
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[BridgeSmith]

GOP senator leaves top Energy Dept. official stumbling over basic questions about cost of the green agenda
News

"You just want us to spend $50 trillion and you don't have the slightest idea whether it's going to reduce world temperatures," he scolded Turk. "Now I’m all for carbon neutrality, but you’re the deputy secretary of the Department of Energy and you're advocating we spend trillions of dollars to seek carbon neutrality — and this isn't your money or my money, it’s taxpayer money — and you can’t tell me how much it's going to lower world temperatures? Or you won’t tell me? You know, but you won't?"

This is one of the major problems with these grand schemes to solve global warming - we don't know what effect, if any, it will have.

Turk responded that he believes "in my heart of hearts" that "there is no way the world gets its act together on climate change unless the U.S. leads."

He may feel that in his "heart of hearts", but we don't know whether anyone would follow our lead, if we did move forward with this economic suicide. Most likely not anyone that matters.

 

[JoshPlumSE]

So instead of rewarding the countries who are abiding by (or at least very vocal about) all of these self imposed economic restrictions in the name of climate change, we should give our business to China who continues to build coal fired power plants, maintains terrible working conditions for workers, and where manufacturers go seemingly unpunished for their pollution of the water, air, and land?

Yup. Don't forget they still have brutal concentration camps for the Uyghurs which is essentially "ethnic cleansing".

However, I will say that I did some research into the CO2 emissions (and growth) and such for China is not as bad as I thought it was. Yes, they still have some coal plants. Some of which are even relatively new. But, they have invested in a lot of more efficient power plants as well. They may not be doing quite as good as western Europe. But, they're not completely ignoring the issue either.

 

[dik]

I suspect, strongly, that if changes to accommodate/mitigate global warming are needed. These changes will be resisted by the US, even if essential for global recovery.

-----*****-----
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Lets not go there... I keep thinking of Guantanamo Bay where people have been held for 20 years without being charged.

-----*****-----
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Tomfh]

However, I will say that I did some research into the CO2 emissions (and growth) and such for China is not as bad as I thought it was. Yes, they still have some coal plants. Some of which are even relatively new.

How bad did you think it was? They have over a thousand plants, with thousands of units overall:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/859266/number-of-coal-power-plants-by-country/

And they’re building hundreds more.

https://energyandcleanair.org/publi...~:text=In total, 86 GW of,to 26.8 GW in 2022.

 

[dik]

Tom... with 5x the US population, China is nearly neck and neck with the US when it comes to coal plants.

You have to include all fossil fuels, and the US far exceeds China in this regard. Both are bad. Pointing out China's footprint is no excuse for not doing anything.

-----*****-----
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[JoshPlumSE]

It was the reported percentages of various types of power production for the country as a whole.... Granted, if we're relying on self-reporting, then the numbers may not be accurate.

As well as the per capita CO2 emissions. Same concept there. Though again, it may be a bad idea to rely on the self reporting of a country like China.

 

[dik]

Quibble about the accuracy, and the problem is not solved... no matter how you cut it... it's still a bunch,

-----*****-----
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[BridgeSmith]

...with 5x the US population, China is nearly neck and neck with the US when it comes to coal plants.

Where do you get that? If I'm reading the info from the International Energy Agency correctly, China's coal consumption is about 35 times ours.

You have to include all fossil fuels, and the US far exceeds China in this regard.

Here again, the US is not even close, unless you're comparing per capita numbers, which are irrelevant in a discussion of global emissions levels.

 

[dik]

From the statistica chart that Tom listed...

When it comes to carbon footprint per capita is the only way to go... it accommodates penalising countries with large populations and shows the contribution of the individuals that make up the country. If China had the same population as the US, the US would be nearly 2x further ahead...

from Worldometer, a little less than neck and neck... you have to look at all the fossil fuels consumed... including natural gas and petroleum... this is where the US excels. A lot of heating in China is likely by coal... a lot of heating in the US is by natural gas... both produce carbon.

-----*****-----
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Tomfh]

Where do you get that? If I'm reading the info from the International Energy Agency correctly, China's coal consumption is about 35 times ours.

What source is that? Can you provide a link?

 

[Tomfh]

When it comes to carbon footprint per capita is the only way to go...

Yes we know that’s your position, that having the worlds highest carbon emissions is ok provided you’re sufficiently overpopulated.

 

[dik]

From Worldometer:

https://www.worldometers.info/energy/

-----*****-----
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[hokie66]

Instead of using per capita as metric, size of economy should be the rule. The largest economies are US, China, Japan, India, Germany. So US, Japan, and Germany are doing much better than India and China. The rest of the world is inconsequential.

 

[dik]

how about country area? makes about as much sense... private jets and automobiles are a measure of size of economy and have a big carbon footprint... not such a good metric, hokie.

-----*****-----
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[BridgeSmith]

What source is that? Can you provide a link?

I did. "International Energy Agency" is the link. You just have to click on the country of interest, and then choose the parameter of interest from the drop-down menus.

 

[BridgeSmith]

When we're talking about curbing global emissions, per capita metrics are irrelevant; it's the totals by country that matter, since policies on emissions are set by nations. If the USA quit burning coal altogether over the next 10 years, but China increases the amount they're burning by 5% over that same time period, global emissions from burning coal remain constant increase, because China's coal-fired power plants don't have nearly as strict of emissions controls as ours.