Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XIII 26

[dik]

For earlier threads, see:
thread1618-496010
thread1618-496614
thread1618-497017
thread1618-497239
thread1618-497988
thread1618-498967
thread1618-501135
thread1618-504850
thread1618-506948
thread1618-507973
thread1618-510266
thread1618-512015


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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[BridgeSmith]

Well, it sucks to be Canadian. Get ready for even higher taxes and prices up north there.

 

[Tomfh]

In what some have called a game-changing decision, an Ontario court has ruled that the provincial government's weakened climate target could violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Canada's rot is going right to the core.

 

[TugboatEng]

We can afford to lose Canada so hopefully the world learns from their example before it takes down the rest of us.

 

[dik]

I just spent 2 months in the hospital... I'd hate to see the bill... oh wait, I live in Canada... there is no bill.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

And what failure of the system lead you to require a 2 month stay?

 

[dik]

A massive heart attack; my heart stopped for 5 minutes. Three months ago, I couldn't stand on my feet. Now with a walker I take 2 or 3 1000m walks a day. A 'street person, also without insurance, would have received similar treatment. Our medical systems are similar, but the US has inserted an Insurance agent in the middle. This only increases costs. There's a reason that Cuba's infant mortality rate is lower than the US.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

The infant mortality rate of Cuba is the same as it is for the USA amongst white and Hispanic populations in the USA. Cuba is mostly white and Hispanic.

 

[JoshPlumSE]

I think Dik's point is legitimate..... If you believe it's an apples to apples comparison.

I'm pretty sure my friends child (who was born at around 20 weeks gestation), lived for a couple of months, then died... I'm pretty sure that would have been reported as an infant mortality in the US. But, I suspect that it would be reported as a "miscarriage" in Cuba, or it would have been a forced abortion as soon as the Drs realized that the baby was going to be born with problems.

 

[dik]

from...

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/infant-mortality-rate/country-comparison/

and Norway and Iceland are at 1.8 and 1.6, respectively. Both countries have state funded health care.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Tomfh]

Dik posting his fake Cuba stats again, oblivious to how stats work in authoritarian socialist societies.

 

[TugboatEng]

Norway and Iceland are very white.

Infant mortality rates are driven by demographics, not spending.

 

[dik]

I suspect that maybe it's the quality of state funded healthcare? Maybe Cuba is a little darker...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

The information was published by the American CIA. Maybe not a socialist org, but perhaps an authoritarian one.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[BridgeSmith]

The information was published by the American CIA. Maybe not a socialist org, but perhaps an authoritarian one.

In any case, not a credible source of statistical information. They literally produce disinformation as SOP.

 

[dik]

Why would they publish information that was detrimental to the US? Shake the sawdust out, man.

another source...

"Infant mortality in the United States is predominantly caused by congenital disabilities, preterm birth and low birth weight, maternal pregnancy complications, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, and injuries (such as accidental suffocation). The infant mortality rate in the United States was 5.36 in 2021. This rate was 57th among the 195 countries and territories measured and significantly higher than in dozens of other developed countries, such as Sweden (2.01), Japan (1.74), and Australia (3.16)." (Bold by me)

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/infant-mortality-rate-by-country

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

I believe the information dik has posted to be true. The trouble is that he is making likely false attributions. His claims are easily explain through other observations.

And with that said, 51 former intelligence officials... There is no credibility. Intelligence has perfected disinformation. It's literally what we pay them to do. You should not trust anything the CIA produces.

 

[dik]

Tug... I'm well aware that there can be differences in the manner in which data is gathered. It's like saying China has the biggest carbon footprint without considering that they have 5x the population. With a bunch of information indicates the same thing (unless from the same source) then it likely indicates the data is reasonably correct.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Dik, there are certain demographics that have much higher infant mortality rates. Infant mortality rates are much higher in countries with those demographics. Your refusal to acknowledge this only hurts those demographics. Your moral standing is low. You are placing politics above human life.

 

[JoshPlumSE]

Tug -

His post about infant mortality rates is still a valid point. There can be all kinds of caveats about the data (where it came from, the demographics of the population and such) and it still be a valid point. One of the few things that Cuba seems to do well is produce doctors.

Now, what kind of medical care those Dr's are allowed to provide and to whom is up to the state. If the state believes that maternal and infant care is important, then they will make sure that those services are provided. In the US, of course, the level of medical care received is largely based on your economic status and whether or not you have insurance. Very different systems lead to very different results.

Treatment of pregnant woman and infants is not all that expensive (in terms of time, energy, equipment and such), so Cuba probably does a good job. You want to get treatment for cancer? Surgery followed up by months of Chemo, radiation treatment and such. That's probably limited to the Communist party elite and not available to "middle class" Cubans. Whereas most people in the US (except poor people without insurance) will easily get that treatment in the US.

 

[dik]

Not at all, exactly the opposite. The US politics is costing human life.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik