Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XIV 1

[dik]

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Things are Starting to Warm Up. - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hottest-city-earth-mothers-bear-brunt-climate-change-2022-06-14/ a sign of things to come... hold on to your hats, folks. [pipe] Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any...

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Things are Starting to Warm Up Part II - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

For earlier thread, see thread1618-496010 So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates -Dik

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Things are Starting to Warm Up Part III - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

For earlier thread, see thread1618-496010: Things are Starting to Warm Up. thread1618-496614: Things are Starting to Warm Up Part II So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates -Dik

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Things are Starting to Warm/Heat Up Part IV - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

thread1618-496010: thread1618-496614: thread1618-497017: So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates -Dik

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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part V - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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Things are Starting to Heat Up Part VI - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part VII - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part VIII - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

thread1618-496010 thread1618-496614 thread1618-497017 thread1618-497239 thread1618-497988 thread1618-498967 thread1618-501135 -----*****----- So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates -Dik

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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part IX - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part X - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

For earlier thread, see: thread1618-496010 thread1618-496614 thread1618-497017 thread1618-497239 thread1618-497988 thread1618-498967 thread1618-501135 thread1618-504850 thread1618-506948 -----*****----- So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning...

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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XI - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

For earlier threads, see: thread1618-496010 thread1618-496614 thread1618-497017 thread1618-497239 thread1618-497988 thread1618-498967 thread1618-501135 thread1618-504850 thread1618-506948 thread1618-507973 -----*****----- So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet...

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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XIII - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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[BridgeSmith]

From the linked article:

Western Environmental Law Center, which represented the young plaintiffs, said in a statement that the decision marks "a turning point in Montana's energy policy".

That's doubtful. It will probably mark the beginning of a push to change the state constitution.

 

[dik]

They're pretty good at it.

 

[BridgeSmith]

They're pretty good at it.

Who's pretty good at what? The lawyers good at suing states and making money off the taxpayers? Yeah, it seems they are, at least they have been so far.

 

[TugboatEng]

Greg posts a link showing slave labor being used to produce solar in mother China so dik posts a totally unnecessary text wall to bury it. I see what is going on here.

Dik, are the Ughyer slaves' energy consumptions included in your per capita figures?

 

[GregLocock]

Dik, are the children in African mines digging out rare earths "pretty good at it" as well? That is a level of amoral pragmatism I have rarely seen publicised.

 

[dik]

That will change as BRICS gets going. Until now, the African countries have been exploited by the West and the people living in poverty. Many of the Western African countries have had tons of gold extracted without the people benefiting. This will change with the Chinese Belt and Roads Initiative. Just a matter of a little time.

 

[dik]

Dik, are the Ughyer slaves' energy consumptions included in your per capita figures?

I would think so... else it wouldn't be per capita. Regarding human rights abuses, China's human rights abuses, pale in comparison when coompared to the US.

 

[dik]

Dik, are the children in African mines digging out rare earths "pretty good at it" as well? That is a level of amoral pragmatism I have rarely seen publicised.

That's mostly a result of the West's colonialism approach to Africa and the extraction of wealth by the UK, the US and France. That will likely change under BRICS.

 

[lucky-guesser]

Regarding human rights abuses, China's human rights abuses, pale in comparison when coompared to the US.

This statement destroys anything you had that resembled credibility. You are clearing nothing but an anti-west ideolog.

China:
1) Suppresses speech of all citizens. Anyone who speaks out in any way against dear leader goes missing the next day. Most forms of communication we use are banned in china as they aren't able to crack down on their people the way they would want.
2) Went to people's houses and welded the doors shut during covid, forcing people at literal gun-point to stay inside. You do as dear leader says, or you pay with your life.
3) Slave labor/internment camps. If you think the US is evil because there was slavery when it was founded, but you turn a bling eye to china using slaves TO THIS DAY, you are clearly doing so for ideological reasons.
4) child labor/working conditions. There are factories full of small children working harder than most adults have to here. But that's fine with you apparently. And working conditions are so bad that workers would jump out of factory windows to end it all. You know what they did? Make working conditions better perhaps? Nope, they puts nets around the building that catch you, so then they can put you back to work. You can't even end yourself there.
5) environmental issues. For someone who is so uptight about the climate, this should matter to you. China is the largest emitter of CO2 BY FAR. It's not even close. And while the US is lowering the annual CO2 output, china is building 50 new coal power plants as we speak. That doesn't even include there shear disregard for safe chemical and waste disposal practices. They dump whatever they want, wherever they want, and they don't care who it hurts. In large US cities, if you go way up in an airplane you can sometimes see the smog. In china, you literally can't see down the street because it is so much worse.

This took me exactly zero research, these are all things I can point to off the top of my head. If you think that the US and china are comparable in any way, there is no hope for you to be rational or unbiased in anything you do. Ideological sell-outs have no place in the scientific, fact based world. Shame.

 

[GregLocock]

So if we ignore the shilly shallying dik's answer would appear to be "Yes, it is acceptable for slave labor to be used to build solar panels, because China has a better human rights record than the USA". Well, I think that statement is all that needs to be said.

 

[BridgeSmith]

Regarding human rights abuses, China's human rights abuses, pale in comparison when coompared to the US.

You are delusional.

 

[TugboatEng]

Maybe they count as 2/3rds of a capita.

 

[SwinnyGG]

Dik, I don't know if you just lost your cool over the last few days and could no longer keep it in, but I am truly embarrassed for you.

From behind my keyboard, there can be only one possible explanation for the worldview you have expressed in this thread. It's so completely nonsensical and flies in the face of so many demonstrably factual elements of other peoples arguments- both philosophical and statistical - that the only possible explanation is that it's deliberate.

I have no idea why you feel the need to completely ignore history and fact the way you do, but honestly, if you have some political motive, it's time to give it up; after two years, no one is convinced. If you have some (in your mind) altruistic motive, it's not supporting your ultimate goals, and it's also time to give it up.

I entered into this discussion much closer to your side of the argument, as there are numerous logical problems from the other side, too. But your approach has completely melted down any chance you ever had of convincing anyone of anything. I remain of the opinion that climate changes are something we need to be addressing with rapid action - but your arguments to that end are doing more damage to the cause than they're helping, by at least an order of magnitude.

To everyone else, I sincerely hope that this is enough data on Dik to prove in everyone's mind that he cannot be saved, that this entire discussion has been a complete waste of everyone's time, and that this thread should be abandoned completely so it can die on the vine and we can all move on.

For the love of god, can we please go back to being engineers again (in other areas of this forum)? If I was a mod I would lock this thread and any attempts to revive it.

 

[GregLocock]

GL: Dik, are the children in African mines digging out rare earths "pretty good at it" as well? That is a level of amoral pragmatism I have rarely seen publicised.
D:That's mostly a result of the West's colonialism approach to Africa and the extraction of wealth by the UK, the US and France. That will likely change under BRICS.

Um, most of the children mining rare earths are in the Congo. Apparently Canadian history books don't mention Africa. Congo was colonised (practically privatised) by King Leopold II of Belgium. This may be news, but Belgium is not the USA, UK or France (a curious list of colonizers in itself).

 

[dik]

Um, most of the children mining rare earths are in the Congo. Apparently Canadian history books don't mention Africa. Congo was colonised (practically privatised) by King Leopold II of Belgium. This may be news, but Belgium is not the USA, UK or France (a curious list of colonizers in itself).

These child labour practices in Africa are mostly the result of western countries in their empire building (including the US), Belgium was one of them and is considered a western country. This predated China and Russia's involvement in Africa. China is improving this with their Belts and Roads Initiative. Do some research.

 

[TugboatEng]

Bruh, wait until you find out that it was Africans trading their own to be slaves to the whites for firearms. There is no altruism in Africa or China.

It gets really weird when you support the Belts and Roads initiative that comes from a country that literally has slaves today as some type of benevolent enterprise with the intention of enriching Africa.

The reality is that China is looking for independence from the West so that they don't have to pay for artificially expensive materials due to the West's suicidal energy policies.

 

[GregLocock]

Yeah, I did research, your claim was bullshit. As demonstrated. Since you are being insincere you now go into my sig. Enjoy.

 

[dik]

Catch the link...

 

[TugboatEng]

The war fight against climate change has become a war on photosynthesis.

The case to build a new ISS: the International Solar Sunshade

Imagine building a shield in orbit to protect Earth against environmental destruction — a fleet of cooperative satellites forming a massive umbrella that reduces solar energy reaching Earth, mitiga…

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Totally delusional. Don't click the link. The headline says all you need to know.

 

[GregLocock]

Perhaps we need a geoengineering thread. The main issue is that from any given solution (including reducing CO2 in the atmosphere) there will be winners and losers. An obvious example of this is cloud seeding - if the rain falls on my country it won't fall on your downwind country.