Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part VIII 9

[dik]

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[dik]

Sorry Swinny... I was just wondering what other agencies whose future may depend on climate change issues are doing... I think it's a valid question.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[TugboatEng]

They're busy printing stories for you to post. Stoking fear so people blindly hand them money.

 

[rb1957]

I think it is very valid to ask about insurance companies (and what premiums they're charging).

Drawing conclusions from this is less straight forward. Have premiums increased because weather related costs have gone up ? Have premiums increased because of a presumption that charges will go up (and the market is willing to go along) ? Critically, are some companies charging more for weather insurance (all other things the same ... like in the same place and same time) than others ? (then you'd expect, if you were Adam Smith, that the cheaper companies would get the business, and the market would converge on the cheaper prices. but in the real world, insurance prices always go up !?)

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[dik]

concur... I just wonder if they are doing anything. Unfortunately tug, the stories they are printing are becoming everyday events.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[JoshPlumSE]

I'm with dik.... I think article about real companies "risk management" strategies are much more interesting than government or pseudo government talking heads.

When we see companies genuinely making economic decisions based on climate change that will be when things change. Meaning, when insurance rates for coast communities go way up (because of potential flooding / sea rise). When companies start moving manufacturing facilities to "safer" locations or such. This are people (and companies) putting their money where their mouths are. That's how you know they 100% believe it.

That's so much more interesting than a war of words between environmentalists and global warming deniers.

Say what you like about Greta Thundberg, but she lives her life in a way where it's clear she genuinely believes what she's saying. Al Gore, John Kerry, Leonardo DeCaprio.... Not so much. They aren't willing to give up their luxury lifestyles even a little. However, they are pretty insistent that the rest of us must give up our not so luxury lifestyles right now.

 

[BridgeSmith]

Say what you like about Greta Thundberg, but she lives her life in a way where it's clear she genuinely believes what she's saying. Al Gore, John Kerry, Leonardo DeCaprio.... Not so much. They aren't willing to give up their luxury lifestyles even a little. However, they are pretty insistent that the rest of us must give up our not so luxury lifestyles right now.

Some would say that's because Thundberg is just a useful pawn who doesn't really know anything, other than what her parents and handlers have told her to say. Of course DiCaprio is probably one of those useful(?) idiots, as well. Gore and Kerry are making millions off of this, so besides their obvious personal lifestyle hypocrisy, there's also a huge financial incentive for them to espouse the view that this is a crisis requiring continuing and expanded intervention.

 

[dik]

I don't think that's the case. I think she was instrumental in starting a concern for some real potential problems, without her parents assistance. I don't think she had handlers; initially she was not political. She had to become political because the issue is not being handled well, because it has become political. Her recent book is a great read... I wouldn't sell her short on her knowledge.

She is more active than the others mentioned because the others mentioned are on their way out (dying off) and she has a whole lifetime before her.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[JoshPlumSE]

I respect Thundberg mostly because she believes what she's selling. Her arguments (that I've seen / read) are entirely based on emotion. Therefore, it has little effect on me.

Now, I do think she's a hypocrite, just an honest one who believes what she's saying and is willing to make personal sacrifices because of it.


FWIW, her hypocritical stance (IMO) was protesting wind mills in Norway because they were build on indigenous land. So, to use her language.... "How dare you? This land can make a huge reduction in carbon emissions in our power generation. How dare you sacrifice our future just to accommodate some livestock grazing rights. This is the World War of our generation. Wake up and choose the right side before it's too late."

 

[dik]

Being non-technical (originally a teenager) she's basing her comments on observations. There have been a few climate related events in the last few years. There can be some other issues related to 'going green'.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[TugboatEng]

When I base my comments on observations I get called mean things like a denier or anti-science.

 

[BridgeSmith]

Being non-technical (originally a teenager) she's basing her comments on observations.

Or the propaganda she's been fed...

 

[JoshPlumSE]

There have been a few climate related events in the last few years.

You mean, "weather events"..... LOL.

I'm just teasing a little. It's a pet peeve of mine when people want to tie in any particular storm, hurricane, drought, or flood to global warming. If you want to say that this is global warming then you need demonstrate it with statistics. How many weather events per season on average, standard deviation based on the data we have. Then demonstrate how the number (or severity) is outside the standard deviation. Otherwise, you're just guessing.

Now, it's fine to suggest that global warming may lead to more of these types of storms than we've seen in typical years. But, don't pretend that this is conclusively tied to climate change when virtually ZERO actual scientists are saying this.... only activists and politicians.

 

[GregLocock]

If you read the IPCC reports they even assign a confidence to their predictions. From memory precipitation predictions have a low confidence, and as we know, the frequency of big hurricanes has not increased. 'attribution science' is a religion, not science.

Cheers

Greg Locock


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[Tomfh]

It's a pet peeve of mine when people want to tie in any particular storm, hurricane, drought, or flood to global warming

Yep. Every single one is now attributed to climate change, on the basis that extreme weather is hypothesized to be consistent with climate change.

There's no statistical increase in extreme events as of yet. But people (including engineers who should know better) happily blame every storm on the climate boogie man.

 

[dik]

More summer weather... it could get worse in the coming years.

https://euroweeklynews.com/news/

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Tomfh]

“Could”

“May”

“Potentially”

 

[dik]

just a caution...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[BridgeSmith]

just a caution...

Some would call it speculation and guesswork.

 

[SwinnyGG]

When I base my comments on observations I get called mean things like a denier or anti-science.

That's because your knowingly 'select' your observations such that they support your political perspective.

So does Dik. You are opposite sides of the same coin.

 

[dik]

or a potential 'real' problem.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik