Things are Starting to Warm Up Part II 24

[dik]

For earlier thread, see

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Guest102023]

China is building and permitting many new coal power plants. No amount of solar and wind can cancel that out. China cannot make the sun shine at night (yet).

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[dik]

Tom... their energy carbon footprint, on a per capita basis is less than half the US.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

brims... are you cheery picking, again?

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Tomfh]

Tom... their energy carbon footprint, on a per capita basis is less than half the US.

They more than make up for that with their population size. In terms of climate change, it's the TOTAL emissions that count.

 

[GregLocock]

If you really want an amusingly presented list of necessarily cherry picked failed climate predictions then read this. You won't of course. Or claim they are cherry picked because somehow identifying failures is cherry picking. Or you'll hate on the website, even though it is cutting and pasting from real sources. I would add that if you ignore anything Ehrlich says then you'd save 50% in reading time.

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

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Greg Locock


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[GregLocock]

Precautionary principle. New tires grip better than old tires, ok? So you are risking your life, the lives of your passengers, and the rest of society, if you don't fit new tires to every vehicle you own every year. That's the precautionary principle. Damn the expense.

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[Tomfh]

No fair! Not a single one of Professor Tim Flannery's predictions were mentioned!

 

[GregLocock]

The dams will never fill again! Tim's got a nice little house on the banks of the Hawkesbury, he obviously isn't too worried about rising sea/estuary levels.

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[Guest102023]

Fiddling with "per capita basis" statistics is the favourite technique for leaders of any country of smaller population than China's to do nothing.

We went through 10 years of that bulsh!t exercise up here with PM Harper, who doubled down on filthy Tar Sands bitumen production. 10 years of effectively going backward and breaking every international commitment.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[Guest102023]

Greg,

So I thought I would humour you by following the link, eventually to the CEI home page where I read 'Our Mission is to Reform America's Unaccountable Regulatory State'. Kind of says everything you need to know. But amusing it was, in a cute but strained way, because it manipulates these snippets to support the outright lie that "None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true." The wiki page for founder Fred L. Smith contains some pretty comical statements he made, but very typical of Republicans in that he substitutes clichés for reasoned argument.

You do know how "think tanks" work don't you? (I can never say or write "think tanks" outside of quotation marks.) There are hundreds, mostly corporate or privately funded, created to put an academic sheen on one ideology or another. Libertarian is a common flavor, and these endlessly bang the drum for more and more deregulation of the corrupt 'Nanny State'. The US has had 4+ decades of deregulation, including repeal of Glass–Steagall that indisputably led to the 2008 financial crisis that we all are still paying for in 2022. Yet these "think tanks" bleat endlessly about Big Government, the lie started by Reagan.

Well if you had a patient suffering from poisoning, would administering more poison be a sensible remedy?


"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[Guest102023]

That's the precautionary principle. Damn the expense.

That is NOT the Precautionary Principle. The cost of doing nothing about Global Heating will far exceed the cost of slowing down the car. In the car accident analogy we can recover in hospital and replace the car, but for the climate there is no Planet B.

We are seeing it play out in front of our eyes. (Has dik not provided enough evidence to satisfy you yet?)


"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[LionelHutz]

brimstoner - I'm not engaging you, you clearly only want to disparage and attack others here.

 

[TugboatEng]

But amusing it was, in a cute but strained way, because it manipulates these snippets to support the outright lie that "None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true."

Your challenge is to find us one single prediction that has come true.

I also think you need to quantify the environmental damage all of that marijuana you burn.

 

[TugboatEng]

I feel like Ironic is a devout follower of Paul Ehrlich.

https://www.climateone.org/audio/population-bomb-50-years-later-conversation-paul-ehrlich

Funny even his own supporters admit he was wrong.

The book was criticized at the time for painting an overly dark picture of the future. But while not all of the Ehrlich’s dire predictions have come to pass, the world’s population has doubled since then

And the world has still not collapsed. No credibility.

 

[Tomfh]

In the car accident analogy we can recover in hospital and replace the car,

You may be happy to crash the car to slow it down as soon as possible, but we have to think of the children in the car too.

 

[Tomfh]

The wiki page for founder Fred L. Smith contains some pretty comical statements he made, but very typical of Republicans in that he substitutes clichés for reasoned argument.

Reasoned argument like ignoring the examples and instead engaging in ad hominem attacks?

 

[dik]

No doubt, tom... but both countries output is too high... Canada is up at the top, too, mainly because of our cold climate, small population and long travel distance. I should have added that India is often included, but their per capita carbon footprint is about 1/10 of the US.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

more fear mongering... this time from down under.

https://theconversation.com/natural...-they-collapse-human-society-could-too-187263

and also from this neighbourhood...

https://gizmodo.com/greenlands-recent-ice-melt-could-cover-all-of-west-virg-1849315868

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

yeah, those evil Canadians ... no surprise that we fail that statistic ... a lot of heavy industry, long distances, extreme climate (already), small population.

makes nonsense of the per capita statistic ... why should each human expect to have the same CO2 output ?

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[Tomfh]

Because “climate justice” and “climate equity”. The usual nonsense.