Boeing 737 Max8 Aircraft Crashes and Investigations [Part 9] 2

[dik]

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Looks like Boeing is still having fun...

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58483150

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

 

[dik]

I suspect strongly that the govmint will step in to help... there's a purpose for political donations...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Well i would say it should have done 3 months ago because its a government law that has set the time limit.

Waiting until Nov elections is just plain stupid.


But its seems to be a politician decision not a engineering risk analysis. Lets face it the rest of the MAX fleet is a pile of crap on modern safety standards and certification what difference does it make if a max 10 is added to fleet of frankistine dwarf geared geriatric none compliant tubes. even if they fix the cockpit its still a turd.

 

[dik]

Wow...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

come on its hardly a surprise, its polishing a turd of a 1960's design if you have let the MAX 7,8and 9 fly .

Only thing is the rest of the world has a conditional release of certification of the 7,8 and 9 on the fact that a colossal amount of certification issues which should have stopped it ever being permitted to be allowed to flying doating back to the NG flying should be sorted and mods doe off the back of the max 10 redesign.

The FAA on aircraft certification is now the ginger grandchild of aircraft certification absolutely nobody will trust them and Boeing has to do virgin certification in every authority. the aircraft have been released but every single one will need mods before full releases And the mods are not small we can get these done in 4 hours over night they are strip it down and in the hanger for three weeks.

 

[dik]

I'm not into aviation... and it is a bit of a surprise, at least to me.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Fair enough. To emphasize I support them just extending it and getting the whole MAX issue finished with. The political interference time scales is the main issue. I also don't like the time pressure which was a huge factor in creating the problem in the first place.

It's in nobody's interest to have a monopoly on high volume aircraft production.

 

[1503-44]

So you're saying "SELL" or "SHORT" now?

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Not really. But an arbitrary time limit for something which needs to be done properly for safety is counter productive. Fair enough saying any other new types in that family certified require to have it but something that has already had the bulk of it done can't see the point. Its just coving up past mistakes by the regulator who should have insisted on this change when it certified the 737-800 NG range.

 

[1503-44]

Did I see that Starliner lost their bid?

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[JohnRBaker]

Not yet, but they've been delayed once again:

Starliner Needs Even More Fixes, and Probably won’t Carry Astronauts Until 2023

https://www.universetoday.com/15744...nd-probably-wont-carry-astronauts-until-2023/

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[Alistair_Heaton]

Have a look at the 777x program as well.

And the 787 production issues.

Pretty much every product line has issues.

 

[hokie66]

Alistair,

I think that statement would apply to all manufacturing.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Maybe in Russia

 

[hokie66]

Maybe one of the Industrial Engineers here can enlighten us on that. But I can't think of a major manufacturer which hasn't had problems at one time or another. And that's just the ones we know about.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Individual issues yes I would agree. But at the moment they have major certification issues on all the main production lines that have been certified in the last 15 years.

767 seems to be doing ok though.

I would class certification issues and ordered production halts by the regulator to be in a different league to your regular manufacturing snags. And normally those snags only cover one product line. Not the majority of the products.

 

[1503-44]

Would you say it's more production manufacturing related issues, or more conceptual and practical design issues.

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Leadership and culture.

 

[1503-44]

Right!
And I didn't even give you that choice.

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Another update from the Seattle times.

https://www.seattletimes.com/busine...t-risk-congress-moves-to-give-boeing-a-break/

 

[JohnRBaker]

Not totally unexpected...

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without