Things are Starting to Warm Up Part II 24

[dik]

For earlier thread, see

thread1618-496010

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Guest102023]

Unintended consequences are no longer unintended after you learn the consequences but continue.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[rb1957]

sorry, but the point to the expression is that you don't want to perfect a dying technology, but rather transition to the new tech by expanding your business definition.

Shell isn't in the petrol business, it's in the energy business. Thus as the petrol based business looks to have run it's course, (not saying it has) then transition to the next energy business. Whilst these new energy businesses are in their infancy, and petrol hasn't died out, it is still time to look to the future.

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[Guest102023]

rb1957,

Read between the lines: ‘precautionary’ is a euphemism for ‘foot dragging’.

But in the Big Oil example it is a lot worse than foot dragging, it is lobbying, disinformation, and covering up science that might hurt profits or threaten their future. Exxon scientists knew about global warming decades ago and informed their overlords, who started looking for ways they could leverage it to their business advantage.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[Guest102023]

Shell is in the business of maximizing returns to shareholders, by whatever means are tolerated by the law and public. The key term to understand is ‘externalizing costs’.

Some publics have more power than others: if Shell operated in N America the way they do in Nigeria it would be shut down in a week.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[dik]

Looking at Vantusky, nearly the entire US is between 30C and 40C... I haven't seen that in a while. Next year, it could be between 35C and 45C. What does it take to get people to do something?

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Same could be said about the coal industry...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

"Next year, it could be between 35C and 45C." ... next year it could be between 25 and 35 ...

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[rb1957]

"Read between the lines: ‘precautionary’ is a euphemism for ‘foot dragging’." ... your lines are very way apart !

"precautionary" has been widely used here are "take immediate steps now, in case (as a precaution) the worst starts to happen"

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[dik]

rb... semantics, does not change the problem or issues...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

maybe in December...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

maybe in July

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[Guest102023]

‘precautionary‘ could be taken to mean ‘wait for the science is in’ = delaying tactic. I see your point but I’m saying that is how Big Oil would define it.

That view is no longer tenable. If the science isn’t in by now it will never be in.


"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[dik]

Could be both... or maybe January; we'll have to wait to find out.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[hokie66]

brimstoner,

Your definition of the 'precautionary principle' is just that, yours. rb1957 has given the widely accepted definition. If you want to denigrate Big Oil, fine, but you need a better label.

 

[Guest102023]

Take a deep breath there hokie

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[hokie66]

Just trying to help you.

 

[Guest102023]

Thanks for reaching out
Can we move on now?

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[dik]

often given as the accepted definition, I think brims is suggesting that it is often occasionally used for something different.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Guest102023]

Show me where I said ‘principle’.

But I acknowledge my brain fart in registering cautionary when it read precautionary.

And yes I know what precautionary principle means.

Can you ever forgive or do you insist on making this your reason for living today?

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[GregLocock]

The precautionary principle is brilliant politics. No need for a cost benefit analysis, or evaluating alternatives, or even feasibility, because "think of the children".


Cheers

Greg Locock


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