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  1. Eric Gushiken

    How Many Datums are Too Many Datums?

    If you wanted to simplify the datum structure some things you could do is: Change the side plate mounting surfaces which are currently H & J to A1 & A2. In your drawing when you dimension the height of these mounting surfaces, use 2X along with the <CF> symbol to indicate that it's a Continuous...
  2. Eric Gushiken

    Slot as Primary datum for a Blow Molded Part

    Can you post a couple of iso views of the part? Instead of attaching them you can just click the image button so it'll show in the post.
  3. Eric Gushiken

    Measuring flatness of primary datum in constrained condition?

    The method you suggest over the principle engineer's simple 'Constrained' is more accurate and true to the design intent. It might require more time to validate and may require an inspection fixture vs someone just pushing down on the part to make sure the surface sits flush on the flat surface...
  4. Eric Gushiken

    Datum as plane tangent to two cylindrical surfaces

    If you want to do it the easy way, just use the first ISO view you show and place a Datum A marker on one of the curved surfaces and a Datum B marker on the other, then you'd call out A-B as primary, C as secondary, and D.
  5. Eric Gushiken

    Datum Strategy with Small Surfaces

    This part sort of looks like a machined cylinder head with valve guides. On a part like this, since it's machined on all sides I would use the bottom surface as Datum A, the two surfaces you currently show as Datum A as Datum B, and the right surface as Datum C. Then use positional tolerancing...
  6. Eric Gushiken

    Is anyone using or know of anyone else using Schematic Thread display on drawings?

    Like ewh mentioned I too used this in the past for hand drawings but I've never seen it on modern CAD drawings.
  7. Eric Gushiken

    Datum selection and dimensioning - quadruple saddle clamp

    I would use the large flat top surface as Datum A, the long surface that is perpendicular to that and that is flush with the end of the cells as Datum B, and the overall length dimension which touches off the the short ends as Datum C because this part is symmetrical. Then use a profile control...
  8. Eric Gushiken

    Best practice to establish datums on injection molded part of which every all are drafted

    Datum target lines don't have to be related to cylindrical features. Using the sharp edges as a secondary datum is perfect for the Ops scenario where there are no perpendicular surfaces. Just lay the bottom flat surface on either the mill table or inspection table and use either an edge finder...
  9. Eric Gushiken

    Fully defining a part vs only dimensioning what needs inspection?

    I encounter this a lot as well. What those people who don't like too much tolerancing and GD&T on the drawing don't realize is that all the features generally have tolerances either way, in the title block, and they all need to be met. If the parts are being made in house then I think it is more...
  10. Eric Gushiken

    Parallelism between coaxial cylinders?

    I think your plan of using total runout to control it in reference to A-B sounds good but B may also need to be controlled in relation to A.
  11. Eric Gushiken

    Best practice to establish datums on injection molded part of which every all are drafted

    Datums can also be lines (edges) and points so you could use the edge along the wider side of the draft as a secondary datum. If symmetry was important you could pick both edges on the wider side as secondary datum B-C.
  12. Eric Gushiken

    Sheet Metal Part GDT

    My guess is that the connectors are floating on the sidewalls. If that's the case their position may not be that critical. What would be more critical is the location of the mounting holes in relation to the connector cutout. The connectors probably have a datasheet that may show tolerances and...
  13. Eric Gushiken

    Duplication of letters for views, detail, sections datums etc

    I wouldn't go to that extreme. I think it's better to try and keep the detail or section view on the same page as the view from which it is being pulled from if possible. If there's not enough room, at least try to keep it close like on the next sheet rather than further on in sheet number. At...
  14. Eric Gushiken

    Hole Pattern as Datum with different hole depths

    My opinion would be not to use the 4 hole pattern as a datum. Use the back surface then two of the edges, or the back surface, one edge, and the center hole. Whichever is more applicable to how the part will be assembled and function. Using a pattern of holes for a datum seems like a pain to...
  15. Eric Gushiken

    ISO 2768-1 TOLERANCE FOR DIMENSIONS BIGGER THAN 4000 mm

    I don't think there can be hard general rules. It would totally depend on the application and the requirements. Will it be a weldment? A large machined part? Multiple parts bolted together? This is where knowledge of various manufacturing processes and their realistic tolerance capabilities...
  16. Eric Gushiken

    Datum Reference

    I'm not familiar with the ISO standard but does it have the same principle of datum hierarchy as the ASME standard? Primary - 3 points of contact Secondary - 2 points of contact Tertiary - 1 point of contact
  17. Eric Gushiken

    Is this the right way to measure the profile ?

    I think technically you'd have to have a collet that is almost 190mm long in order to accurately grab the entire virtual condition OD. Then you can run the indicator on the tapered surface. Depending on the fit and function of the part it may be more practical to use diametral datum zones or...
  18. Eric Gushiken

    Datum targets and their form and orientation errors controlled

    It seems your checker is suffering from the ole' "Missing the forest for the trees" paradox. I think he's one of those that get tunnel vision when looking at the standard not realizing that the standard can't cover every situation
  19. Eric Gushiken

    ASME Y14_5_2009 Correct Dimensioning with Multiplier

    Just a tip: you can upload an image by clicking the Image icon. I agree that there is an implied zero basic dimension in the fore-aft features but I believe you still need to specify the qty. Every place I've worked always preferred it this way.
  20. Eric Gushiken

    How are hole positions verified on large parts too big for a CMM or Inspection Arm?

    I don't have any hard numbers to give but currently (and in the past) I've worked on large weldments that have machined surfaces and holes. Often times with the Engineering team there's debate and resistance to putting GD&T on the drawings because the shop has no way to inspect them. Perhaps I...
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